Thanks to Ken Temple over at Beggars All (LINK), I found out yesterday that James R. White responded to my previous two blog posts on last Thursday's Dividing Line program (LINK). I am using "responded" quite loosely—diatribe and/or rant would be a more precise description. As an introduction of sorts to what Mr. White had to say (he stated in the program that I do not have the right to call him James—yes, I know, quite petty), I am going to adapt something that John Henry Newman penned to one of his critics:
I scorn and detest lying, and quibbling, and double-tongued practice, and slyness, and cunning, and smoothness, and cant, and pretence, quite as much as any Christians hate them ; and I pray to be kept from the snare of them. But all this is just now by the bye ; my present subject is Mr. White ; what I insist upon here, now that I am addressing this portion of my discussion to the opening comments he made concerning me on the August 30, 2012 Dividing Line program, is this unmanly attempt of his, to cut the ground from under my feet ;—to poison by anticipation the public mind against me, and to infuse into the imaginations of my readers, suspicion and mistrust of every thing that I may say in reply to him. This I call poisoning the wells. (Adapted from John Henry Newman's, Mr. Kingsely's Method Of Disputation.)
Mr. White stated (10:20ff.):
David Waltz is one of my stalkers...has been for over a decade.
This is not the first time that Mr. White has leveled this charge in my direction. Back in 2009, I responded to this silly accusation in three threads:
[Mr. White's most recent recipient of "stalking" appears to be Dr. William Lane Craig.]
Mr. White continued with:
I don't even bother reading his stuff, because when it comes to me, all he does is follow me around try to find something to uhh, to pick on. Try to find something to, to make him look like he's smart and I am stupid.
This is utterly false. I have never been to his Twitter account; I look in on his blog a couple of times a month to see if he has posted something that pertains to one of my interests; I wrote a letter to CRI a few years back that addressed an article he wrote on Islam in their journal; I sometimes drop by his chat room at night when I have trouble sleeping (maybe 5 or 6 times over the last year), but I have never commented on anything he writes there; I rarely listen to his Dividing Line—fact is, the majority of cases of when I read or listen to him is when one of his devoted followers provides a link to something he said or wrote.
And normally it is some kind of juhh [?], it uhh, the definition of nit picking, and that's what we have here today. Now one of my, my, one of the reasons I, I—to be perfectly honest with you, I don't bother reading the man, that is because he is the quintessential definition of the person who is blown about by every wind of doctrine. He's been everything.
Wow, he doesn't bother reading what I write, but he somehow 'knows' that I have "been everything". Eerie, scary...
I haven't been keeping track ummm, my recollection is he was once Jehovah's Witness; he's been uhhh, he's played around with Roman Catholicism; and he's into Orthodoxy; he's just (whistles), just all over the place.
Right...I was born into, and raised a JW (4th generation—no choice in that—eternal decree of God); left the JW's in 1983 after 8 years of intense study and prayer; joined the Orthodox Presbyterian Church via baptism on March 25, 1984 through the influence of my Greek tutor and theological mentor; started having serious doubts about the Reformed faith in the early 90s due to the number of denominational splits that occurred among conservative adherents, with our Lord's prayer to the Father in John 17 weighing heavily on my mind; on March 30, 2002, I entered the RCC via confirmation and first communion after years of in depth study and prayer; and finally, I ceased attending the RCC and mass at the beginning of 2010 due to critical issues I elaborated on here at AF. Have never been a member of any other church/denomination other than the three listed above. Yeah, I have "been everything", "just all over the place"...BTW Mr. White, how many different denominations have you been a member of ???
And you know, I have, I'll be honest, I have a real hard time working up a whole lot of respect for people who are blown about by every wind of doctrine. And, and they can't get their feet down on the ground and stay in one place [can you spell Southern Baptist Convention] for long enough to actually accomplish anything, and so it's easy for him to sit around—he's a moving target—'cuzz phew, because today and next week he might believe (some jumbled word I can't understand followed by laughing) that's pretty easy. Uhh, uhh, that's an easy way to get around things.
My-oh-my...what was that all about? Weird...
Mr. White: But uhh, he's very proud of his very large library...
Yes I am. I am a bibliophile—have been since I was about 4 years old—it has taken me over 50 years to build my library, so yes, I am somewhat "proud" of it. But then, Mr. White has commented on his large library in the past (not only the size, but also the expense, with a number of the books costing hundreds of dollars each), and he too seems quite proud of it—ahhh, the joy of double-standards...
Mr. White: ...and uhh, so he sits around dragging quotations out and firing and stuff.
Do you have a hidden camera in my library Mr. White ???
Now, the whole reason again that I, I'm going to address this is uhh, as I said, B1Crowley [spelling?] on Twitter sent me the link after I had already heard about it from TurretinFan; I had told TurretinFan, "what's, what's he up to now". "He's, he's talking about some things you said in the No Compromise video. I said, "oh, about modalism?" "Yeah, you're misrepresenting the Oneness guys and stuff like that." So once it was Tweeted to me, I thought, OK, alright, let's take a look at what he has to say.
Wow, quite the introduction, for sure. We have the quintessential 'poisioning the wells' fallacy displayed via character assassination, ad hominems, wild conjecture and outright falsehoods. What an ensemble !!!
Though the derogatory comments and insults do not end here, at least Mr. White finally starts to comment (well, sort-of) on what I posted—from 21:04 ff.:
Alright, so, the first article uhh was posted uhh yesterday, "James R. White: you should have stayed out of 'the deep water'." I just love this (chuckles), the, the Waltz is, does not make any pretense to humility, uhh and he talks about someone taking a pot-shot at Carl Trueman, and uhh, well not everyone at the Council of Nicea was Turks, and , and basically what these guys want to do is they, they sit around going, "look how smart I am about Church history, I'm smarter than that person there. I can disagree with you, I can nit-pick anything." That's what these guys are. It's like they never leave their, their libraries to do anything else. And I don't think David Waltz has ever actually debated a Oneness person, or actually gone out in the front-lines and done it like that. They sit in the back and toss stones and go look how smart I am.
Yes, the pettiness and 'poisoning the wells' continues; but now, Mr. White includes a fellow Reformed Baptist in the mix. Those who are following this series of threads on Mr. White know that the "someone taking a pot-shot at Carl Trueman" is none other than Ken Temple.
Now, a couple of important points: first, I do not think at all that Ken was "taking a pot-shot at Carl Trueman", in fact, I believe that he had some very valid points concerning certain statements made by Dr. Trueman in the NCE-E1 video; second, Ken is an SBC missionary who focuses on Iranian Muslims who live in America—I think it is safe to say that Ken doesn't just, "sit around going, 'look how smart I am about Church history, I'm smarter than that person there'," as Mr. White charges.
On a side note, I find it more than just a bit interesting that Mr. White is "taking a pot-shot at" at Ken, for not only is Ken a fellow Reformed Baptist, he is also a major contributor at the Beggars All blog, which is owned by James Swan, who is a member of Mr. White's "Team Apologian". I guess 'collateral damage' has little meaning to Mr. White.
I shall end part 1 here; probably will not be able to start working on part 2 until Monday—the Lord willing.
Grace and peace,