Showing posts with label Sam Waldron. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Sam Waldron. Show all posts

Tuesday, September 8, 2015

Dr. Sam Waldron on the Monarchy of God the Father, Eternal Generation, and the Filioque


Back on October 11, 2011, I published a thread (link) which provided information on Dr. Sam Waldron's online series, "Who's Tampering With the Trinity?" At that time, he had published 11 posts in the series, but since then, he has added another 7 threads. The following are the links to all 18 parts:



















I am sure that those who read the first 11 parts will be interested in the subsequent 7 posts. For those who have yet to read Dr. Waldron's series, I highly recommend that you do so, for this Reformed Baptist professor has provided some thought provoking reflections on the Monarchy of God the Father, the Eternal Generation of the Son, and the Filioque.

Enjoy !!!


Grace and peace,

David

Monday, May 7, 2012

Reformed confessions and "the so-called ecumenical councils of the first several centuries"


This last Saturday, I received in the mail the latest issue (June, 2012) of R.C. Sproul's (Ligonier Ministries)  Tabletalk  magazine. Given the content of my March 2 and 27, 2012 threads, I found the following to be of interest:

In the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, when the Protestant movement began, various ecclesiastical groups created confessions, creedal statements that set forth the doctrines these groups embraced. In the main, these documents reiterated that body of doctrine that had been passed down through the centuries, having been defined in the so-called ecumenical councils of the first several centuries. (R.C. Sproul, "The Church Is One", Tabletalk, June, 2012, pp. 4, 5.)

Though not explicit, I suspect, "that body of doctrine", mentioned above, pertains primarily to theology proper, and christology. With this in mind, have the Protestant confessions of "sixteenth and seventeenth centuries" truly and faithfully, "reiterated that body of doctrine that had been passed down through the centuries, having been defined in the so-called ecumenical of the first several centuries"?

Before any assessment can be made concerning the above question, one must first identify what the "the so-called ecumenical of the first several centuries" and Protestant confessions of "sixteenth and seventeenth centuries" actually taught/teach concerning God and Jesus Christ. The content of the creeds produced at Nicea in 325 and Constantinople in 381 have been examined at length in the following threads:

The Nicene Creed vs. the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed

When (and which), are councils and creeds infallible?

The original Nicene Creed and semantic confusion

In those threads, and subsequent ones that build upon them (e.g. THESE THREADS), I have placed an emphasis on what those creeds conveyed to the readers of the time in which they were composed, refusing to accommodate what those creeds actually said to subsequent developmental trajectories. I believe that the doctrine of God presented in those two creeds is accurately and faithfully summarized in the "5 propositions" that I presented in THIS THREAD.

With the above background in place, I would like to now examine whether or not the Protestant confessions of the "sixteenth and seventeenth centuries" have been faithful to the two above creeds on the first and foremost article of faith promulgated in them: who/what is the "One God"?

The Nicene and Niceno-Constantinopolitan creeds both open with:

Πιστεύομεν ες να Θεν Πατέρα παντοκράτορα - We believe in one God the Father almighty

Compare this with a few of the more esteemed Reformed creeds of the "sixteenth and seventeenth centuries":

Belgic Confession

Article I. THERE IS ONE ONLY GOD

We all believe with the heart, and confess with the mouth, that there is one only simple and spiritual Being, which we call God; and that he is eternal, incomprehensible, invisible, immutable, infinite, almighty, perfectly wise, just, wise, and the overflowing fountain of all good. (Philip Schaff, The Creeds of Christendom, 3.383, 384)

Westminster Confession of Faith

Chapter II - Of God and the Holy Trinity

There is but one only living and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts, or passions; immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, almighty, most wise, most holy, most free, most absolute, working all things according to the counsel of His own immutable and most righteous will, for His own glory; most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin, the rewarder of them that diligently seek Him; and withal, most just, and terrible in His judgments; hating all sin, and who will by no means clear the guilty. (Ibid., 3.606, 607)

The Second Helvetic Confession

Chapter III - OF GOD; THE UNITY AND THE TRINITY

We believe and teach that God is one in essence or nature, subsisting by himself, all-sufficient in himself, invisible, without body, infinite, eternal, the Creator of all things both visible and invisible, the chief good, living, quickening and preserving all things, almighty and supremely wise, gentle or merciful, just and true. (Ibid., 3.835)

The Baptist Confession of 1689

Chapter 2: Of God and of the Holy Trinity

1. The Lord our God is but one only living and true God; whose subsistence is in and of himself, infinite in being and perfection; whose essence cannot be comprehended by any but himself; a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts, or passions, who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; who is immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, almighty, every way infinite, most holy, most wise, most free, most absolute; working all things according to the counsel of his own immutable and most righteous will for his own glory; most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek him, and withal most just and terrible in his judgments, hating all sin, and who will by no means clear the guilty. (Samuel E. Waldron, A Modern Exposition of the 1690 Baptist Confession of Faith, 1989, p. 53)

The opening article of faith, "There is but one God the Father", found in Nicene and Niceno-Constantinopolitan creeds has been completely abandoned, and instead, replaced by an essence/nature (referred to via the singular, personal pronoun, He).

Now, yet once again, I ask my readers: has this significant change in the Reformed creeds, truthfully and faithfully, "reiterated that body of doctrine that had been passed down through the centuries, having been defined in the so-called ecumenical of the first several centuries"?

IMO the most obvious and objective answer is a resounding NO.


Grace and peace,

David

Tuesday, October 11, 2011

A conservative, Reformed Baptist professor validates a number of my recent musings


Starting with my October 7, 2010 post, "Back to the Bible" (link), I have devoted 8 important threads to the doctrine of God (link). These threads generated some 487 comments, and for the most part, a fair amount of 'heat', even though I believe that my presentations were Biblical, and had a good deal of support from the pre-Nicene Church Fathers. (For another important thread that is germane to this one, see this link.)

With that said, it is still always nice to discover scholars (who hold a high view of the Bible) that have developed similar assessments as mine; most recently, from the pen of a Reformed Baptist professor.

Back on July 13, 2011, Dr. Sam Waldron (a professor and dean at the Midwest Center for Theological Studies) began a series of posts under the title, "Who's Tampering With the Trinity?". One will discover in these contributions that Dr. Waldron holds to a number of theological positions that I have elucidated on, which include: the 'one God' of the Bible is the Father; the 'monarchy' of the Father; the eternal generation of the Son (essence and person); and the subordination of the Son to the Father. Below, I am providing links to all 11 posts:











Part 11

Now, although Dr. Waldron affirms a number of positions that I embrace, I want to be clear that he goes beyond what I am willing to declare (at present) one must hold to be considered a 'true' Christian; most importantly, that he maintains homoousias must be understood as "one substance", while I believe with Eusebius (and a number of other CFs) that "same substance" is the more correct understanding.


Grace and peace,

David