During the last couple of weeks, a good number of my posts to comboxes in threads by John Bugay at the Beggars All blog have disappeared after showing up for a couple of minutes. The same has happened here at AF on at least two occasions. I have reported the problem to Blogger, but have not gotten a response.
This morning, I posted my continued response to John Bugay’s thread, Best-0f-Breed New Testament Scholarhip; it showed up, but unfortunately, the last I checked (about 15 minutes ago), it too has vanished. The following is a copy of my morning post:
Thanks for responding; you wrote:
>> Well, David, I hope everything comes out all right at your trip to the dentist!>>
Me: Went much smoother that I anticipated; in fact, wasn’t too bad at all (though I still hate going !!! [grin]). As soon as I got home I jumped on my bike and went on a 2 hour ride so I would not be tempted to eat something before I should—it wiped me out, ended up taking a short afternoon nap, and ultimately did not log on to the internet until this morning. Anyway, on to more important things—continuing my reflections on your opening post—you penned:
>> Just as an aside, I recall reading that you are from Northern California? Quickly, who are the mayors of San Francisco going back 100 years? (Hegesippus wrote in 166, and so it would have been approximately 100 years-worth of names he’d have had to come up with.) Who are the mayors of your current home town going back 100 years? What were their names – be sure to get them in the correct order – and affix dates to them. If you can’t do it, what would you do? Ask old folks for some of the names they remember. There’s no guarantee that would be a successful effort though. And if you were arguing against heretics, as Hegesippus was, and going back 20 or 30 years, there weren’t actually any “mayors” but maybe just councils or itinerant sheriffs, well, you might be tempted to incorporate those names in the drawing up of those lists. But it doesn’t make for an accurate list.>>
Me: Not NC, Washington State (Long Beach):
For the record, according to Hegesippus (as related by Eusebius), he wrote his “Memoirs” during the episcopate of Eleutherus which dates after 166 AD (died circa 189 AD). As for the approximately 100 years of remembrance, “oral tradition” back in the first century did not have to compete with TV, radio, Twitter, Facebook, the internet, et al. I have little doubt that Eleutherus could accurately recall his predecessors. Now, with that said, I still know the names of all the presidents of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society (i.e. JWs) which spans a period of over 100 years; I also know all the names of the presidents the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (i.e. Mormons), 150 plus years; and I use to remember when I was in the OPC all of the presidents of Princeton seminary up to the departure of Machen, 124 years.
>> It may be possible for you to question Lampe’s analysis of the Hegesippus/Irenaeus lists, but I cannot imagine you can challenge his analysis of episcopoi/presbuteroi -- he relies incredibly heavily on primary sources such as Clement and Hermas and others, and you certainly can’t (easily) challenge his entire fractionation-and-house structure. The “presbyterial style” of government also has deep roots within the New Testament.>>
Me: See my September 3, 2010 10:13 AM reply to Ken:
Anyway, I am going to start working on a post that examines Lampe’s “From Paul to Valentinus” right after I submit this particular post; don’t know how long I will spend on it before I put it up, but hopefully, by the end of the day.
Sincerely hope that you and yours have a great Labor Day weekend!
Grace and peace,
Back to work on my upcoming thread on Peter Lampe’s, From Paul to Valentinus.
Grace and peace,