While engaged in some online research last night, I
happened upon a ten part series at the blog, Shameless Popery. The series
is based on a book I had not read, nor was even aware of: Ten reasons, proposed to his adversaries for disputation in the
name of the faith and presented to the illustrious members of our universities,
by Edmund Campion (PDF link below).
Given the recent activity here at AF, I felt compelled to
provide links to the entire series:
Campion's entire book, Ten reasons, proposed to his adversaries for disputation in the
name of the faith and presented to the illustrious members of our universities,
is available in a free PDF version for
reading and download at:
I read the last
installment last night, and plan to read the entire series (and then the book),
right after I publish this opening post.
I suspect a few other
folk will join me in this endeavor, and hope that those who do so, will share
their reflections...
Grace and peace,
As an old polemic from the 1500s, there is not much new there, as far as arguments against the Reformation are concerned.
ReplyDeleteBascially the same things that other Roman Catholic apologists have been saying against the Reformation.
A new thing for me was the reference by Calvin to Sirach.
James Swan has published (again) Luther's view of the canon at Beggar's All; and deals with a lot of mis-information that RCs put out about Luther and the canon and James.
All of those arguments by Edmund Campion and Joe Heschmeyer's fleshing it out somewhat have been thoroughly answered.
Someone mentioned that William Whitaker responded to these 10 reasons. I wonder if it is within his book,
Disputations on Holy Scripture.
or is it a separate work?
David,
ReplyDeleteFYI, you mis-spelled "Shameless"
(smile)
Good morning Ken,
ReplyDeleteEarlier today, you wrote:
==As an old polemic from the 1500s, there is not much new there, as far as arguments against the Reformation are concerned.
Bascially the same things that other Roman Catholic apologists have been saying against the Reformation.
A new thing for me was the reference by Calvin to Sirach.
James Swan has published (again) Luther's view of the canon at Beggar's All; and deals with a lot of mis-information that RCs put out about Luther and the canon and James.
All of those arguments by Edmund Campion and Joe Heschmeyer's fleshing it out somewhat have been thoroughly answered.==
Me: Polemics between Prots and RCs is certainly nothing "new", and I can pretty much agree with you that most of the content contained in the Ten Reasons has been expressed before. However, with that said I thought the systematic presentation of the book (and the series) to be somewhat unique.
==Someone mentioned that William Whitaker responded to these 10 reasons. I wonder if it is within his book,
Disputations on Holy Scripture.
or is it a separate work?==
Me: Will pull the book of the shelf after breakfast (and some coffee), and check it out.
Grace and peace,
David
P.S. Thanks much for catching the typo !!!
Found something on Whitaker's response to Campion here:
ReplyDeleteWhitaker’s Response mentioned in another book
This is even better; Whitaker's full response to Campion.
ReplyDeleteWhitaker’s Response to Campion
Hi Ken,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the links. Interestingly enough, after I could not find any reference to Campion in Whitaker's A Disputation On Holy Scripture, I did a Google search and found the same two books that you linked to.
I will probably end up ordering, A Jesuit Challenge - Edmund Campion's Debates at the Tower of London in 1581. The following is Google's introduction:
==In the year 1581, after four days of debating six leading Anglican divines at the Tower of London, Jesuit Edmund Campion (1540-1581) was put to death because he would not deny his faith. In 1970, the martyred Campion was canonized a saint. A Jesuit Challenge is a book-length edition of previously unpublished Catholic manuscript accounts of those debates.. As corrective historical documents, these Catholic manuscripts reveal a quite different picture of Campion and his opponents from that represented in the government's published version, and thus offer us a fuller and more balanced understanding of what actually took place. In addition to their historical value, the Catholic manuscripts also include lively exchanges between Campion and his opponents, and provide humanizing details about them. As personalized documents they capture the dramatic flavor of a series of spirited debates dealing with the major theological issues separating Protestant England from Catholic Rome in Elizabeth's reign.. Together with a transcription of the Catholic manuscript accounts, Holleran supplies a general historical introduction to the debates, a detailed description of the manuscripts, brief supplementary commentaries about the debates, and a full set of explanatory notes.==
I also downloaded the other book you linked to, Whose are the Father's?, which contains only a portion of Whitaker's, An Answere to the Ten Reasons of Edmund Campion the Jesuit....
I tried to find a copy of the full book, but alas, I was unsuccessful...
Grace and peace,
David
Dave and Ken, hi.
ReplyDeleteIt might be interesting to note the dates for these works. Was Whitaker working from "a quite different picture of Campion and his opponents" or "from that represented in the government's published version"? Ideally he would have consulted both.
Hi Rory,
ReplyDeleteIt looks like Ken has given up on the last two threads, so it seems that any further conversation will be between just the two of us.
On 01/10/15, you posted:
==Was Whitaker working from "a quite different picture of Campion and his opponents" or "from that represented in the government's published version"?==
Me: In one of the links provided by Ken (HERE)—which takes you to page 46 of the book, A Jesuit Challenge - Edmund Campion's Debates at the Tower of London in 1581)—back up to page 43 and read through 64 for some interesting background information.
BTW...earlier today, I found a "Very Good" used copy of the above book online for only $7.49. I ordered it, but will probably not receive it until next week. I may start a new thread on the book once I have had read the entire book.
Grace and peace,
David