This post
has been delayed by almost a month. Rather than bore readers with all that
transpired during the last few weeks, I shall proceed right into the main
emphasis of this thread—Timothy Kauffman's novel interpretations concerning
baptismal regeneration and the early Church Fathers.
Tim (I will
be referring to Timothy as Tim throughout the rest of this post, not out
disrespect, but due to the fact that in our combox interactions, he refers to
himself as such, so I am assuming that this is his preference) has published the final installment (#6) in his ongoing series, "THAT HE MIGHT PURIFY
THE WATER" (link).
The
following is the second paragraph of Tim's final installment:
Before
we proceed with Methodius of Olympus, the last Ante-Niceæan Father cited by Called
to Communion, we thought it would be worthwhile to interact very briefly
with David Waltz who blogs at Articuli Fidei and has also commented at this
site as well. We appreciate Waltz’s interaction and his willingness to engage
on this topic.
Before
moving on to Tim's reflections, I would like to say that I too appreciate
Tim's, "interaction and his willingness to engage on this topic."
Though I have grave concerns concerning a number of his novel interpretations
of the early Church Fathers concerning baptism (and as you will see, his take
on Dr. Ferguson), I sincerely appreciate the fact that he has been very
charitable with me in our discussions, even though I have been quite critical
at times. (I also appreciate the fact he has adopted a open policy when it
comes to comments on his blog, a policy I firmly believe in, and employ here at
AF).
Tim
continued his post with:
Waltz
responded to our posts, analyzed two fathers that we cited, and concluded that
we were really “0 for 2″ in our analysis thus far, due in no small part to his
reliance on Dr. Everett Ferguson’s Baptism in the Early Church. Waltz wrote here last week that Ferguson “is
one of the (if not THE) foremost authorities on the NT and early [Church Fathers]
teachings concerning baptism,” and thought that “perhaps [we] would not so
easily dismiss” him.
I must
correct Tim here, my conclusions concerning Justin Martyr and Tertullian were
NOT, "due in no small part to his reliance on Dr. Everett Ferguson’s Baptism
in the Early Church", but rather, "due in no small part" to
my own readings of their contributions on baptism. I cited Dr. Ferguson
primarily for three reasons: first, because his assessments mirror my own;
second, he is a contemporary patristic scholar, who has done extensive work on
the topic of baptism in the early Church Fathers; and third, his reflections
are representative of pretty much every patristic scholar who has written on
the subject.
Tim then
wrote:
But
we do dismiss Ferguson, and we do so advisedly. There is very much we could
write on this, but we will give only a few examples to make our point.
Ferguson’s work is helpful as a resource, but it simply cannot be the final say
on baptism in the fathers.
I agree with
Tim that, "Ferguson’s work is helpful as a resource, but it simply cannot
be the final say on baptism in the fathers"; however, I do not dismiss him
as easily (so it seems) as Tim does. Tim goes on to offer a few examples of
where he differs with Dr. Ferguson (which I hope to address in upcoming posts),
but for now, I would like to explore some of Tim's presuppositions; presuppositions which I believe have caused
Tim to grossly misread the Church Fathers when it comes to the doctrine of
baptismal regeneration.
One of Tim's
presuppositions is: if a Church Father postulates that regeneration/new
birth can occur apart from the sacrament of baptism, then that Church Father
cannot believe in baptismal regeneration.
Tim has
committed a grave error here: the fact that God can, and does, provide other
means than the sacrament of baptism to regenerate some of His children does
not negate that one can still consistently believe that the sacrament of
baptism is the ordinary means by which God regenerates.
A second
presupposition which leads Tim to incorrect assessments of the Church Fathers
is: if baptism is referred in figures and/or as a sign and seal, then that
Church Father cannot also believe in baptismal regeneration.
Once again,
such beliefs do not negate that one can also maintain the sacrament of
baptism is the ordinary means by which God regenerates. Augustine, Aquinas,
Trent and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (to name but a few
germane sources within the Catholic tradition), like Tertullian, all affirm that
God has provided other means than the sacrament of baptism for the new birth.
They use a number of figures when referencing baptism, calling baptism both a
sign and a seal, and they do this while also clearly affirming that the
sacrament of baptism in the ordinary means that God regenerates.
There is a
third presupposition embraced by Tim, which may be the most detrimental one: his
belief that the great apostasy spoken of in the NT occurred in the late 4th
century.
Tim
adamantly maintains that belief in baptismal regeneration is one of the
outcomes of this supposed late 4th century apostasy; as such, Tim cannot allow
a reading of any of the Church Fathers who wrote prior to this alleged apostasy
which would suggest that they believed in baptismal regeneration, for such a
reading would force him to jettison his cherished presupposition.
Armed with
such presuppositions, one should not be surprised that Tim has developed
interpretations of the Church Fathers concerning baptismal regeneration that
are novel, and void of any support from patristic scholars.
Moving on,
over the last couple of days, I have been rereading all of Tim's selections
from the writings of Tertullian, and his novel interpretations of those
passages. I have also reread a number of English translations of Tertullian's On
Baptism, On Repentance, Against Marcion, and a few other passages that
touch on baptism, consulting the Latin where the translations vary. I have come
away from these fresh readings even more convinced than before that Tim has
made some grave errors in his interpretations of Tertullian; Tim's novel
interpretations just don't hold up when one reads Tertullian's writings in
their full context.
Since I have
already examined the concepts of 'baptism of blood' and 'baptism of
desire/repentance' in two previous threads (first;
second)—reiterating that belief in such
concepts do not preclude one from also believing that the sacrament of baptism is
the ordinary means that God uses to regenerate fallen mankind—I would now like
to explore what I believe to be is the most important issue at hand: did
Tertullian in his writings affirm that the sacrament of baptism regenerates ???
Even though
Tim admitted that, "Tertullian
spends 20 chapters defending the merits of baptism, its divine origin, the
significance of the water, the power to sanctify, remit sins, grant life and
secure eternal salvation", he then goes on to deny that such a defense
includes the belief that the sacrament of baptism itself is the ordinary means
which brings those graces to fruition. He argues that one should not adopt a
"plain" reading of Tertullian here because, "Tertullian says
more than this".
I ask: does Tertullian's
non-"plain" musings negate his "plain" statements on this
matter ??? Tim says yes, but I (and pretty much every patristic scholar I have
read) say no. Interestingly enough, Tertullian himself castigates the
heretic Marcion for negating the belief that the sacrament of baptism truly
accomplishes what it is said to bring about. Note the following:
I
see no coherence and consistency; no, not even in the very sacrament of his faith [i.e. baptism] ! For what end does baptism serve, according to him ? If the remission of sins, how will he make it evident that he remits sins, when he affords no evidence that he retains them? Because he would retain them, if he performed the functions of a judge. If deliverance from death, how could he deliver from death, who has not delivered to death ? For he must have delivered the sinner to death, if he had from the beginning condemned sin. If the regeneration of man, how can he regenerate, who has never generated ? For the repetition of an act is impossible to him, by whom nothing anytime has been ever done. If the bestowal of the Holy Ghost, how will he bestow the Spirit, who did not at first impart the life ? For the life is in a sense the supplement of the Spirit. He therefore seals man, who had never been unsealed in respect of him ; washes man, who had never been defiled so far as he was concerned ; and into this sacrament of salvation wholly plunges that flesh which is beyond the pale of salvation ! (Against Marcion,
1.28 - ANF volume 3.293.)
Tertullian
clearly establishes that one should embrace a "plain" reading of his
views on the sacrament of baptism, contrary to what Tim would have us to
believe.
I would now
like to address Tim's claim, "that the water of the baptismal font is
merely a signification of the actual baptism that takes place in the
heart."
Tim wrote:
Notice,
for example, that Tertullian was so free in his use of figures that he actually
has us drinking from the baptismal font unto eternal life. If taken literally,
this is a divergence from the command of Christ, for He did not command that we
“take and drink” the water of baptism. But if Tertullian is to be taken
figuratively—as well he should—the water of baptism that we are to drink is the
Word of God and the truth of Christ’s Passion, which revives us, which is to
say, regenerates us. This Tertullian plainly states:
“For this
tree in a mystery, it was of yore wherewith Moses sweetened the bitter water;
whence the People, which was perishing of thirst in the desert, drank and
revived; just as we do, who, drawn out from the calamities of the heathendom in
which we were tarrying perishing with thirst (that is, deprived of the divine
word), drinking, by the faith which is on Him, the baptismal water of the tree
of the passion of Christ, have revived—a faith from which Israel has fallen
away, ….” (Tertullian, An answer to the Jews, 13)
Note once
again that we have a Church Father referring to Christ’s Passion as the
“baptismal water,” or the laver of revivification, as it were. This is
important because next we shall see that Tertullian insisted that the literal
water of baptism ought not be approached until the spiritual water of baptism
is already evident in the believer.
Take notice
of what Tim is doing in his above interpretation: he is replacing "the
baptismal water of the tree of the passion of Christ" with "Christ's
Passion as [is] the 'baptismal water'". The "drinking" is no
longer a metaphor for the sacrament of baptism (i.e. "the baptismal
water"), but has now become solely faith in "Christ's passion".
Tim has erroneously gotten rid of the efficacy of the sacrament of baptism, one
of the, "two baptisms He sent out from the wound in His pierced
side", mentioned by Tertullian in his On Baptism (chapter 16). The
"baptismal water" (i.e. sacrament of baptism) is efficacious THROUGH
"the tree of the passion of Christ", for "Christ [is], the 'font
of the water of life'." From Christ's Passion comes "the water of
life"; "the water of life" is not Christ's Passion itself, but
flows out from His Passion, Christ being the "font".
Tim also
replaced the evidence of true repentance on the part of the believer, with
"the spiritual water of baptism", arguing that Tertullian's
admonition to postpone the sacrament of baptism until there is solid evidence
of true repentance, supports this replacement. This cleaver attempt is flawed,
for if Tertullian thought that the sacrament of baptism was merely a "sign"
and/or "seal" of something that had already taken place (in other
words, the sacrament of baptism has no efficacious effect/s), why such stern
warnings from Tertullian ? Fact is, Tertullian argued for the postponement of
sacramental baptism because he believed that the effects produced by the
sacrament of baptism (e.g. regeneration, forgiveness of sins, union with
Christ, et al.) occurs only once. The effects of sacrament of baptism can be
lost through post-baptismal sin—i.e. one who has been regenerated through
baptism can become unregenerate through sin. And further, Tertullian believed
that some post-baptismal sins are unforgivable (e.g. adultery, apostasy,
murder), so he wanted to make sure that anyone who submitted to baptism had
truly repented of their sins. In other words, Tertullian was not a
Calvinist.
However, Tertullian
did have a great deal in common with Thomas Aquinas. Like Aquinas,
Tertullian believed that the sacrament of baptism regenerated; like Aquinas, he held that the sacrament of baptism receives it's efficacy from Christ's Passion; like Aquinas, he
maintained that one could become unregenerate by post-baptismal sin; like
Aquinas, he affirmed two other means than the sacrament of baptism by which one
can be born-again—i.e. baptism of blood and baptism of repentance. (See
appendix below for Aquinas' reflections.)
I sincerely
doubt that Tim will jettison his novel interpretations of Tertullian, for I
believe that his presuppositions will continue to prevent him from reading
Tertullian in a "plain" sense, the very sense that Tertullian himself
has asked his readers to embrace when it comes to the sacrament of baptism.
Shall end
with a "plain" quote from Tertullian:
Now there is a standing rule that without baptism
no man can obtain salvation. It
derives in particular from that (well known) pronouncement of our Lord, who says, Except
a man be born of water he cannot have life. (On Baptism, 12.1)
Grace and
peace,
David
Appendix: Thomas
Aquinas Summa Theologica Part 3, Q. 66, Art. 11
On the contrary, on Heb. 6:2, Of the doctrine of Baptisms,
the gloss says : He uses the plural, because there is Baptism of Water, of
Repentance, and of Blood.
I answer
that, As stated above (Q. 62, A. 5), Baptism of Water has its efficacy
from Christ's Passion, to which a man is conformed by Baptism, and also from
the Holy Ghost, as first cause. Now although the effect depends on the first
cause, the cause far surpasses the effect, nor does it depend on it.
Consequently, a man may, without Baptism of Water, receive the sacramental
effect from Christ's Passion, in so far as he is conformed to Christ by
suffering for Him. Hence it is written (Apoc. vii. 14) : These are they who
are come out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes and have made
them white in the blood of the Lamb. In like manner a man receives the effect
of Baptism by the power of the Holy Ghost, not only without Baptism of Water,
but also without Baptism of Blood: forasmuch as his heart is moved by the Holy
Ghost to believe in and love God and to repent of his sins: wherefore this is
also called Baptism of Repentance. Of this it is written (Isa. iv. 4) If the
Lord shall wash away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall wash away
the blood of Jerusalem out of the midst thereof, by the spirit of judgment, and
by the spirit of burning. Thus, therefore, each of these other Baptisms is
called Baptism, forasmuch as it takes the place of Baptism. Wherefore Augustine
says (De Unico Baptismo Parvulorum iv) : The Blessed Cyprian argues
with considerable reason from the thief to whom, though not baptized, it was
said: "Today shalt thou be with Me in Paradise" that suffering can
take the place of Baptism. Having weighed this in my mind again and again, I
perceive that not only can suffering for the name of Christ supply for what was
lacking in Baptism, but even faith and conversion of heart, if perchance on
account of the stress of the times the celebration of the mystery of Baptism is
not practicable.
Reply to Objection 2. As stated above (Q. 60, A. 1), a sacrament is a kind of sign. The other two, however, are like the Baptism of Water, not, indeed, in the nature of sign, but in the baptismal effect. Consequently they are not sacraments.
Reply to Objection 3. Damascene enumerates certain figurative Baptisms. For instance, the Deluge was a figure of our Baptism, in respect of the salvation of the faithful in the Church; since then a few . . . souls were saved in the ark [Vulg.: 'by water'], according to 1 Pt. 3:20. He also mentions the crossing of the Red Sea : which was a figure of our Baptism, in respect of our delivery from the bondage of sin; hence the Apostle says (1 Cor. x. 2) that all . . . were baptized in the cloud and in the sea. And again he mentions the various washings which were customary under the Old Law, which were figures of our Baptism, as to the cleansing from sins: also the Baptism of John, which prepared the way for our Baptism. (Summa Theologica, Pt. III, Q. 66. A. 11; CHRISTIAN CLASSICS - Complete English Edition in Five Volumes, Translated by the Fathers of the English Dominican Province, 1911, 1948, 1981, IV. pp. 2384, 2385—html version available online link.)
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So what about his job on Ireaneaus? Silly At problems?
==So what about his job on Ireaneaus[sic]? Silly At problems?==
Kauffman's twist on Irenaeus is found in his 2nd installment (LINK).
He makes reference to Irenaeus' full rite of Baptism, coming to the skewed conclusion that because the rite includes additional elements beyond the act of baptism itself that Irenaeus could not have believed in baptismal regeneration. If one follows such "logic", then folk like Aquinas could not have believed in baptismal regeneration...
Grace and peace,
David
So is Timothy clearly out there then? I mean I literally found no one who would make the assertions he does
==So is Timothy clearly out there then? I mean I literally found no one who would make the assertions he does==
I concur with you. I've been a serious student of the early Church Fathers for over three decades now, and like you, have "literally found no one who would make the assertions he does."
One of the most complete works on Irenaeus' theology is John Lawson's, The Biblical Theology of Saint Irenaeus. After correctly pointing out that the term "Regeneration" is used by Irenaeus "without reference to Baptism" he then states the following concerning Irenaeus' thought that Timothy needs to understand:
>>Baptism 'is for the remission of sins', and brings the gift of the Holy Spirit, who abides only while the believer continues in a righteous life. The most usual thought is that Baptism works Regeneration, incorruption, eternal life, and Adoption. Irenaeus takes over from S. Justin Martyr the phrase 'Laver of Regeneration' as a name for Baptism.>> (Page 267)
He provides the following references were Irenaeus directly links Baptism with Regeneration:
Against Heresies I.21.1, I.81, III.171.1, Dem. of the Apostolic Preaching 3; Fragments II.174.
Grace and peace,
David
Hey, David.
I know it’s been about ten years, but I wondered if you had ever thought of doing a continuation of the rebuttal of Kauffman, or you just didn’t think it was worth it.
Hi Noah,
I became convinced Tim believed that his novel interpretations of the ECFs concerning baptism are/were unassailable. As such, I do not think he is open to the possibility that his assessments are flawed.
If Tim consistently applied his methodology to Thomas Aquinas' take on baptism, he would have to conclude that Aquinas did not believe in baptismal regeneration--but I am quite sure Tim realizes that such an attempt would end in utter futility.
Grace and peace,
David
Hey David,
Thank you for the reply.
I would agree. Protestants like Tim seem to have a trouble with pride, like Martin and the other founders of Protestantism. I’m not a genius when it comes to the church fathers, since I’ve just started reading them (I’m a recent convert, baptized and confirmed this Easter), but some of his arguments are just erroneous. I noticed that Justin martyr on baptism says that both repentance and fasting for the remission of sins. I don’t believe this is him saying that your sons are remitted two times, I believe he’s making a point that remission of sins cannot come from one without the other. On the washing of illumination, you can tell that this washing is not the same washing of regeneration, but the washing of understanding, or knowledge. The entire writing is supposed to be an apology to give a defense against the misrepresentations of the Romans. Before Justin became a Christian, he was seeking understanding through philosophy, he found that the fulfillment of philosophy, the source of his search for understanding, was Christ. To find true understanding, you must find Christ, to be with Christ, you must be repentant for the remission of sins. But again, as pointed out before, as well as baptism, for you cannot have one without the other.
I also wanted to ask another thing. Do you still post content on your blog? Because I know your most recent post was in February, but I wanted to make a recommendation for you if you’re interested. I found this blog post by a guy named Brian who used the church father’s quotes to say that they did not believe in the real presence (or transubstantiation). The video is called Early Church Evidence Refutes Real Presence By Brian Culliton. I wondered if you would be interested in doing a post or not.
Hello again Noah,
Yes, I still post new content here at AF, and thanks for the heads-up.
Just moments ago, I found the following online:
Early Church Evidence Refutes Real Presence By Brian Culliton
https://onefold.wordpress.com/early-church-evidence-refutes-real-presence/
Will read through it later today. If there are misrepresentations of the CFs, will consider a new post to address them.
Grace and peace,
David
Hi Noah,
Thought you might like to know that just a couple of days after your posts—in the first thread of my seires on Kauffman's posts (link)—Ian Miller shared with me that Kauffman had done a series on the Eucharist attacking the Catholic understanding (link to Kauffman's threads here).
Some of Kauffman's arguments are similar to Culliton's. Hope to post some of my concerns on both these gents before the end of the month, the Lord willing,
Grace and peace,
David
Hey David!
Sounds great! I will be awaiting your post. But make sure you don’t rush too much, take as long as you need to respond to these guys. I’d also be on the look out for two guys named Kevin and Mike make a comment on your post, they’re trolls who have been harassing a person in Cullitons comment section for atleast a few years.
Not trying to get ahead of you, but would you be able in future posts be able to respond to other stuff on Timothy? The guys not that talked about in Catholic apologetics (probably due to not having a big audience or anything) accept in one of Mr heschmyer’s books he does a bit of a response to him, as well as Mr. Armstrong. I would have tried to ask Dave about it, but the patheos website is kind of janky for me, and I don’t know how to make a comment, but I did on YouTube where he was talking on another person’s channel. The one I would ask you to do in the future is in a podcast he does about people’s conversions to the Catholic Church and how to be deep in church history is to cease to be a “Romanist”
Link: https://thorncrownministries.com/srr/2018/7/24/srr-87-the-diving-board-ep-1-the-conversion-of-father-ray-ryland-part-1
Hi Noah,
A lot on my plate right now. Received 5 new books (new to me) on the Eucharist this week for research on my upcoming series on the ECFs and the Eucharist. If you are interested, I found a PDF online of one of them that I am halfway through, and can send you a copy. Just send me your email address to augustineh354@gmail.com.
I did go to the link you sent me. Hopefully in the near future I can go through some of the material and respond to the topics I feel competent in.
Grace and peace,
David
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