Thursday, March 31, 2011

John Bugay, Dr. Peter Lampe, and the early ministry of the Christian Church

John Bugay in three recent threads at the Beggars All blog (first; second; third), has been attempting to defend his particular view of the early ministry of the Christian Church, and his use of liberal/revisionist scholars such as Dr. Peter Lampe in doing so. I have shed some light on this issue in previous threads here at AF (LINK), and shall now add to those contributions.

John (and others), continues to ignore the fact that presuppositions have serious implications concerning one's assessment of raw data that can legitimately be interpreted in more than one sense, and there is no question in my mind that this is especially true when one attempts to determine the form/type of ministry that Jesus' apostles had intended/instructed to be functioning after their departure into heaven. And further, it is one's view of the Christian ministry which constitutes one of the preeminent factors in determining the very nature of the Church founded by Jesus and His apostles.

Prior to the Reformation, apart from small, heretical sects, there was little doubt in the minds of Catholic Christians (Western/Latin and Eastern/Greek) just what type of church and ministry was instituted by the apostles—it was a visible society of believers/disciples (and their children), with a structured leadership (i.e. apostles/'bishops', elders/presbyters, and deacons). But the Reformation brought many novel concepts into play, including a new concept of what "the Church" is, and the type of ministry instituted by the apostles of Jesus—the church was no longer primarily conceived of as a visible society, "outside of which there is no salvation", but rather the concept of an "invisible church", was introduced, pushing the visibility of the church into obscurity. Concerning this 16th century innovation, Dr. Herman Bavinck wrote:

Not until the sixteenth century was a fundamentally different concept of the church posited by the Reformation as an alternative to that of Rome...The church was not simply a congregation of the predestined, nor of such people who conducted their lives in keeping with a few rules from the Sermon on the Mount. But it was a congregation of believers, of people who through faith had had received the forgiveness of sins and hence were all children of God, prophets, and priests. For that reason it naturally had an invisible and a visible side. According to Seeberg, this distinction was first made not by Zwingli but by Luther. (Reformed Dogmatics, 4.287 - bold emphasis mine.)

The Anglican scholar, A. J. Mason, in his essay, "Conceptions of the Church in Early Times", confirms Dr. Bavinck's assessment:

The Church was the visible organization which bears that name.

We must proceed to ask whether the fellowship thus denoted was the historical—the ' empiric '—body which passes under the name, or whether it is an ideal quantity, whose very existence is known only by faith. In this enquiry the modern scholar is aided by a very remarkable work. The publication in 1892 of Rudolf Sohm's Kirchenrecht may be said to mark an epoch in the study of the doctrine of the Church. The theory set forth in it has not been left uncriticized, but on certain points the assertions of Sohm will hardly be called in question again. In this work and its sequel Sohm has shewn clearly that the distinction between the Church as a religious conception and the Church as a concrete institution—a distinction upon which he himself insists with vehemence—was wholly unknown to the Christians of early times...The notion of an invisible Church of the Predestinate, Sohm says, came into men's minds before many centuries after Christ had elapsed. Augustine, Wiclif entertained it. But Luther was the first to whom the contrast between the two things became a religious certainty. No one before Luther had been able to emancipate himself in conscience from the visible Church.
(Essays On The Early History of The Church and The Ministry, ed. H.B. Swete, pp. 9, 10.)

The concept of the Church as being primarily a visible society was (and still is) rejected by most of Protestant Christendom, being replaced by the notion that the Church is essentially an "invisible", "spiritual" entity. This 16th century concept of the Christian church not only dominates most 'conservative' scholarship on this issue, but it is also one of the fundamental presuppositions of modern higher critical scholarship, which, applies this presupposition not only to their conceptions and theories of the post-Biblical church/churches, but also to the New Testament period itself. One early representatives of the modern higher critical school summed up this, and some of the other presuppositions, that are not to be questioned:

IN no other department of Church history is the opposition between the ecclesiastical and the historical stand point so great as in that dealing with the earliest constitution of the Church and the history of ecclesiastical law. According to Catholic doctrine Christ founded the Church, placed Peter at its head, associated with Peter a governing body of apostles, who were to be succeeded by the monarchical episcopate just as the primacy was to devolve upon the successors of Peter, and established the distinction between clergy and laity as fundamental. In addition, all the rest of the constitution of the Church as it exists to-day is carried back to Christ Himself, and the only points about which there is a minor controversy are : how much He commanded directly during His earthly life ; how much He ordained as the Exalted Lord in the forty days of His intercourse with the disciples ; how much the apostles added subsequently, led by His Spirit; and what less important and alterable additions have been made in the course of the history of the Church. In any case He founded the Church as a visible kingdom (regnum externum), equipped with a vast jurisdiction, which has its root in the power of binding and loosing, and both pope and clergy derive their authority from Him. He entrusted the Church with the right and duty of universal missionary activity, and thereby gave to her the ends of the earth for her possession, and He granted infallibility to her and to her decrees by promising that through His spirit He would be with her all the days. The Church is thus set over against the secular kingdoms of the present and the future as a kingdom of a unique kind (regnum sui generis), it is true, but yet as a kingdom in face of which the sovereign rights that still belong to the earthly kingdoms can have only the most restricted scope and in all “mixed cases” must yield to the decision of the Church. But, according to the old Protestant doctrine also, the Church is a deliberate and direct foundation of Christ, and although the Catholic conception is radically corrected by the doctrine that the Church is “a congregation of faithful men” (societas fidelium) based on the Word of God, yet in Calvinism and parts of Lutheranism considerable theocratic and clerical elements, although latent, are not entirely absent.

Both views have the whole historical development of the apostolic and post-apostolic age against them, and besides, they stand or fall with the question of the authenticity of a few New Testament passages (especially in the Gospel of Matthew). If we put these aside—and by all the rules of historical criticism we are compelled to do so—then every direct external bond between Jesus and the “Church” and its developing orders is severed. There remains the inner spiritual bond, even if Jesus neither founded nor even intended the Church.
(Adolf von Harnack, Constitution and Law of the Church In the First Two Centuries, 1910 English ed., trans. F.L. Pogson, pp. 1-4).

To sum up, the idea that Jesus and His apostles, "founded the Church as a visible kingdom", must be rejected; such a concept did not exist in the minds of either Jesus, nor his apostles. Biblical texts which seem to support "the Catholic conception", cannot be apostolic (i.e. written by one of Jesus apostles), and hence, texts like the Pastorals, 1 and 2 Peter, etc. are essentially 'forgeries', not written by any of the apostles, and belong to a later period than any texts deemed to be written by one of the apostles. One of the greatest Biblical textual scholars of our modern era, Kurt Aland, fully embraces these assessments of the modern higher critical school, and adds yet another presupposition to the mix:

If we attempt to summarize the internal development of Christianity in the early centuries, we discover a decisive turning point in the second half of the second century. The second century is not only a watershed, but her there is also something decisive for the development of the Christian church. In a manner of speaking, what comes before the end of the second century can be called the "prehistoric" age of Christianity. Up until the middle of the second century, and even later, Christians did not live in and for the present, but they lived in and for the future; and this was in such a way that the future flowed into the present, that future and present became one—a future which obviously stood under the sign of the Lord's presence. It was the confident expectation of the first generations that the end of the world was not only near, but that it had already come. It was the definite conviction not only of Paul, but of all Christians of that time, that they themselves would experience the return of the Lord. (A History of Christianity, vol. 1, p. 87).

Dr. Aland then goes on to comment on the authorship and dates of the NT corpus, rejecting apostolic authorship for the Pastorals, and most of the other NT texts. All this helps to form his theory (accepted by the vast majority of critical scholars) that the original Christian ministry consisted of "charismatic offices" and that these "offices" were "gradually" replaced by the offices of presbyters, bishops and deacons—"In place of these charismatic offices, what gradually enters is presbyters, bishops and deacons."

Enter Dr. Peter Lampe and John Bugay: A careful reading of Dr. Lampe demonstrates that he sides with Dr. Aland and the modern higher critical school in accepting the following presuppositions: first, the Pastorals were not written by Paul, and were composed at a much a later date; second, the original Christian ministry consisted of "charismatic offices"; third the "Catholic" concept of the ministry did not have apostolic warrant, and was an evolutionary development that took place at different times in different geographical areas, with the churches at Rome being one of the last regions to fully endorse the "Catholic" development. John accepts the last of these presuppositions, seemingly ignoring the fact that it is built upon the foundation of the other presuppositions, which John rejects. I have gone on record as maintaining that John is being inconsistent, and none of my continuing research into this important issue suggests otherwise.


Grace and peace,

David

P.S. I was in a bit of a hurry to publish this post, and have not fully edited the grammar, spelling and other possible typos; expect some editing after my coffee and breakfast.

8 comments:

Sean Patrick said...

David - I think you are wasting your time, at least as far as John Bugay is concerned.

John only cares about scholarship insofar as he can pull things from it that damage the Catholic Church (or that he thinks damage the Catholic Church). That is the extent of his interest.

John's faith is not built on scholarship. He did become a Christian because he was so convinced by historians. Nobody comes to Christ that way. Yet he expects the Catholic Church to shut its doors and never open them again because his selection of scholars call into question the nature of the 1st century church. It does not matter than many of those same scholars call into question the nature of scripture and other ideas foundation to John's faith. John can just disregard those conclusions but we are not allowed to do that...in his mind.

Referring to the work of Jesuit theologian Kilmartin which John cited he said to a Catholic interlocutor on BA: "Kilmartin is a problem for you because he knows more than you do...Protestants are not bound by authority in that way, so I may agree or disagree with Lampe based on my own judgment of his case."

Do you see that? He reserves for himself judgement to disagree with the scholars that he is telling Catholics they are forced to accept. John admits that he is not playing by the same set of rules when it comes to scholarly inquiry so your attempt here to keep him honest will undoubtedly fall on deaf ears. John does not take his method far enough to see how embarrassing it is so we're left with a man on a blog and a handful of cheerleaders egging him on.

Sean Patrick said...

Typo, it should be: He did not become a Christian because he was so convinced by historians.

Sean Patrick said...

It turns out that John Bugay is not a big fan of mine. I tried to have this conversation on BA and within seconds comments of mine were deleted and he had this to say:

"I have personally found him (me) to be THE most untrustworthy Roman Catholic I have ever encountered. On other threads, I have published the definition of the word "psychopath", once others described what it was like to interact with him. It was amazing how closely their definitions of him and the official definition of "psychopath" seemed to align with each other...."

And: "I would not be surprised if it was the Lord who called him to Rome. He is the perfect poster child for it."


Why the Lord would call anybody to evil aligns with Calvinism pretty well, I guess.

Anyway - this is what happens if one challenges John enough. He won't argue with you about facts. He'll castigate you to the masses. My 'masses' I really mean the half a dozen people that actually read what he has to say.

David Waltz said...

Hi Sean,

In your March 31, 2011 - 12:48PM post you wrote:

>>Do you see that? He reserves for himself judgement to disagree with the scholars that he is telling Catholics they are forced to accept. John admits that he is not playing by the same set of rules when it comes to scholarly inquiry so your attempt here to keep him honest will undoubtedly fall on deaf ears. John does not take his method far enough to see how embarrassing it is so we're left with a man on a blog and a handful of cheerleaders egging him on.>>

Me: I am sure that you realize John operates under numerous double-standards; he clearly allows himself practices that he damns in others.


Grace and peace,

David

David Waltz said...

Hello again Sean,

You posted the following from the pen of John Bugay:

>> "I have personally found him (me) to be THE most untrustworthy Roman Catholic I have ever encountered. On other threads, I have published the definition of the word "psychopath", once others described what it was like to interact with him. It was amazing how closely their definitions of him and the official definition of "psychopath" seemed to align with each other...."

And: "I would not be surprised if it was the Lord who called him to Rome. He is the perfect poster child for it."
>>

Me: My-oh-my, I am at a loss for words...wow...


Grace and peace,

David

Stephanie said...

Yeah - that is pretty much the end of the road if one deals too much with John.

The evidence that he supplies for my dishonesty is a thread from GB were I was admittedly sloppy on one point with DT King - I apologized within hours - but there you have it. I am a psychopath.

Now, several months later mind you, John actually did lie about me here:

href=http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2010/12/army-of-scholars-studying-ancient-rome.html

After about 30 comments he finally admitted it and amended his post but never apologized to me and when I thanked him for amending it he said, "Don't patronize me..."

So, there you have it. If I am the crazy one according to him than it seems that as far as Beggars All is concerned - the inmates are running the asylum.

Stephanie said...

Sean Patrick ^ - under wife again...

That is another reason I am dishonest...because sometimes I don't log off my wife and post under her name thus trying to hid my identity. Gotta love it.

David Waltz said...

Sean,

One of the things I find troubling concerning the BA “asylum” is the treatment that critics receive from the “inmates”. I have received more charity from JWs, than I have from the members of the ‘cult of Calvin’ that participate at BA (Ken Temple being a notable exception).

Further, I cannot help but notice the sharp contrast, concerning tone, treatment and content, when one compares threads at BA with those at CtoC.

By their fruits…


Grace and peace,

David