tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post4230043858412239429..comments2024-03-21T10:33:24.876-07:00Comments on Articuli Fidei: The Gospel of John - an introduction to the defense of Johannine authorship and historical integrityDavid Waltzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17966083488813749052noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post-49190023261106721342017-09-07T15:15:39.131-07:002017-09-07T15:15:39.131-07:00Hi Mario,
Thanks much for taking the time to comm...Hi Mario,<br /><br />Thanks much for taking the time to comment. Please forgive my tardy response, but somehow, I did not notice your 08-16-17 comment until moments ago. You posted:<br /><br />==Hi David, thank you for the well written, useful and informative post. I also feel that the Church tradition about the authorship by the Apostle John cannot be easily dismissed. More, it makes a lot of difference whether the author is an eyewitness, and in particular one of the "inner circle" of the Apostles (Peter, James, John), rather than some unknown "author" of the first half of the 2nd century.==<br /><br />The external evidence (i.e. history/tradition) for the apostle John being the author of the gospel is overwhelming, and must be virtually ignored for one to deny it.<br /><br />==Though we will never know the truth with scientific certainty, maybe there is something in Raymond Brown's theory that there is a nucleus by John the Apostle, followed by the work of a redactor, and concluded by an editor.==<br /><br />The above theory is certainly within the realm of possibility, but I maintain that Johannine authorship has fewer unresolved 'difficulties' than any other proposition.<br /><br />==All this being premised, I would love you to answer a couple of questions, if I may:<br /><br />1. If John the Apostle was the author, who do you think is hidden under the expression "disciple whom Jesus loved", or similar (see John 13:23; 19:26; 20:2,8; 21:7,20)?==<br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />==2. Do you think that John's Gospel's supports the arguments of the trinitarians, in particular through some verses (John 10:30; 14:10-11,20)?==<br /><br />Since I believe that there are number of different forms of trinitarianism, your 2nd question is difficult to answer. My take is that John's gospel supports the full divinity of the Son of God, while at the same time maintaining his subordination to God the Father.<br /><br /><br />Grace and peace,<br /><br />David<br />David Waltzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966083488813749052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post-68175273408120182222017-08-16T09:34:39.043-07:002017-08-16T09:34:39.043-07:00Hi David, thank you for the well written, useful a...Hi David, thank you for the well written, useful and informative post. I also feel that the Church tradition about the authorship by the Apostle John cannot be easily dismissed. More, it makes a lot of difference whether the author is an eyewitness, and in particular one of the "inner circle" of the Apostles (Peter, James, John), rather than some unknown "author" of the first half of the 2nd century. Though we will never know the truth with scientific certainty, maybe there is something in Raymond Brown's theory that there is a nucleus by John the Apostle, followed by the work of a redactor, and concluded by an editor. <br /><br />All this being premised, I would love you to answer a couple of questions, if I may:<br /><br />1. If John the Apostle was the author, who do you think is hidden under the expression "disciple whom Jesus loved", or similar (see John 13:23; 19:26; 20:2,8; 21:7,20)?<br /><br />2. Do you think that John's Gospel's supports the arguments of the trinitarians, in particular through some verses (John 10:30; 14:10-11,20)?<br /><br />Thank you in advance, <br /><br />MarioMiguel de Servethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10811028181687074761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post-53148340036462471032017-06-14T14:42:27.754-07:002017-06-14T14:42:27.754-07:00Yes! Thank you. Now my "read it " pile i...Yes! Thank you. Now my "read it " pile is that much higher<br /><br />MJT Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13750763393428404220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post-56473719678615223762017-06-14T09:50:56.728-07:002017-06-14T09:50:56.728-07:00Hi Martin,
Thanks much for the heads-up. Don'...Hi Martin,<br /><br />Thanks much for the heads-up. Don't know why the original link is no longer working, but here are two more that should be good:<br /><br /><a href="https://archive.org/details/gospelaccording13unkngoog" rel="nofollow">Internet Archive link</a><br /><br /><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=1AHxIz0VzgsC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false" rel="nofollow">Google Books link</a><br /><br /><br />Grace and peace,<br /><br />David<br />David Waltzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966083488813749052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post-61517672576747270242017-06-14T08:22:49.559-07:002017-06-14T08:22:49.559-07:00Thank you for the post but I'm heartbroken tha...Thank you for the post but I'm heartbroken that the link for Brooke Foss Westcott's paper says no PDF available.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13750763393428404220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post-85069547531959383592017-06-01T18:52:23.388-07:002017-06-01T18:52:23.388-07:00Good idea Ken. I wonder if any Muslim folk will ta...Good idea Ken. I wonder if any Muslim folk will take the time to comment here.<br /><br /><br />Grace and peace,<br /><br />DavidDavid Waltzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966083488813749052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post-20140716373507374742017-06-01T06:52:50.977-07:002017-06-01T06:52:50.977-07:00I made some comments and linked to your article at...I made some comments and linked to your article at that May 12 article over at Blogging Theology.<br /><br />https://bloggingtheology.net/2017/05/12/33745/#comment-50711Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824685809003307918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post-58126587845567820402017-05-31T17:19:59.524-07:002017-05-31T17:19:59.524-07:00Hello Sean,
So good to hear from you again. Will ...Hello Sean,<br /><br />So good to hear from you again. Will check out Tim McGrew's <i>YouTube</i> efforts tomorrow. I ordered Lydia's book just moments ago; it sounds quite interesting.<br /><br />As for Dr. Blomberg, I read his <i>The Historical Reliability of the Gospels</i> way back in the late 80's when the first edition was published. Last year, he came out with, <i>The Historical Reliability of the New Testament</i>. I do not have that book, but may purchase it soon.<br /><br />BTW, have you read the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society's <i>All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial</i> (1963/1983) ??? I found it to be a pretty good introduction to all 66 books of the Bible. If you do not have a copy and would like to read it, let me know, I have a PDF copy I can send you.<br /><br /><br />Grace and peace,<br /><br />David<br />David Waltzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966083488813749052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post-4489777157156480112017-05-31T17:16:17.578-07:002017-05-31T17:16:17.578-07:00Hi Ken,
Thanks much for your kind comments, they ...Hi Ken,<br /><br />Thanks much for your kind comments, they are greatly appreciated. I spent a considerable amount of time in research and study for this post—well over 2,000 pages were read—and it was certainly worth the effort, for the end result is virtually identical to following I quoted from Godet: <br /><br />>>The result of this renewed study has been in my case the ever more firm <i>scientific</i> conviction of the authenticity of the writing which the Church has handed down to us under the name of John...Truly, I can say that I have never felt this scientific assurance so confirmed as after this new examination of the proofs on which it rests and the reasons recently alleged against it.>><br /><br />Grace and peace,<br /><br />David<br />David Waltzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966083488813749052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post-69680219387903510802017-05-31T14:23:14.743-07:002017-05-31T14:23:14.743-07:00A good series of short lectures on, not just the h...A good series of short lectures on, not just the histrocity of John, but of all the Gospels is available on YouTube by Tim McGrew. He focuses on undersigned coincidences. His wife also wrote a book on that topic (including Acts and Paul's letters) entitled "Hidden in Plain Sight."<br /><br />Her book builds off older works, like Paley's at the end of 18th century and Blunt's from the middle of the 19th. <br /><br />With such a body of literature, which as Blomberg's new "The Historical Reliability of the New Testament" shows is still being made!, makes me wonder how typical atheists can just refer to the the Bible as mere myth. And thanks for the pdf links.Sean Killackeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683592785735127212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post-55288936945258195352017-05-31T14:09:46.502-07:002017-05-31T14:09:46.502-07:00Excellent David,
You have gathered together a lot ...Excellent David,<br />You have gathered together a lot of great resources; and I look forward to looking at the links and studying the details more closely.<br />It is great to see these older scholars and their defense of the Gospel of John and that the details are available on line.<br />Those are some great quotes from Lightfoot.<br /><br />Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824685809003307918noreply@blogger.com