tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post2488410376258652531..comments2024-03-21T10:33:24.876-07:00Comments on Articuli Fidei: The Monarchy of God the Father and the Trinity - selections from Eastern Orthodox scholars/theologiansDavid Waltzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17966083488813749052noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post-84117301897709091492021-01-09T14:30:28.149-08:002021-01-09T14:30:28.149-08:00Hi David,
Earlier today, you asked:
==How does t...Hi David,<br /><br />Earlier today, you asked:<br /><br />==How does the Monarchy relate to the Trinity and Trinity to Monarchy- like First among Equals, or King in Parliament or something else?==<br /><br />The Monarchy of God the Father primarily deals with the issue of etiology (i.e. causality). The Son and the Holy Spirit owe their very being/existence to the Father. The Father alone is <i>autotheos</i>—God of Himself. The Father alone is unbegotten/uncaused. The original Nicene Creed clearly teaches the Monarchy of God Father; He is the “One God”, whilst the Son is “God from God”. <br /><br />Augustine summed up the relationship between the Father and the Son with the following:<br /><br />...we understand that the Son is not indeed less than, but equal to the Father, but yet that He is from Him, God of God, Light of light. For we call the Son God of God; <b>but the Father, God only; not of God</b>. (<i>On the Trinity</i>, II.2 - <i>NPNF</i> 3.38 - bold emphasis mine.)<br /><br />For the Son is the Son of the Father, and the Father certainly is the Father of the Son; but the Son is called God of God, the Son is called Light of Light; the Father is called Light, but not, of Light, <b>the Father is called God, but not, of God</b>. (<i>On the Gospel of John</i>, XXXIX.1 - <i>NPNF</i> 3.38)<br /><br />Partly then, I repeat, it is with a view to this administration that those things have been thus written which the heretics make the ground of their false allegations; and partly it was with a view to the consideration that <b>the Son owes to the Father that which He is</b>, thereby also certainly owing this in particular to the Father, to wit, that He is equal to the same Father, or that He is His Peer (eidem Patri æqualis aut par est), <b>whereas the Father owes whatsoever He is to no one</b>. (<i>On Faith and the Creed</i>, 9.18 -<i>NPNF</i> 3.328-329 - bold emphasis mine.)<br /><br />See <a href="http://articulifidei.blogspot.com/2016/07/augustine-on-causality-of-son-from.html" rel="nofollow">THIS THREAD</a> for a number of other important selections from Augustine concerning the relationship between the Father and the Son.<br /><br />Hope I have been helpful. Feel free to ask further questions if more clarity is needed.<br /><br /><br />Grace and peace,<br /><br />David<br />David Waltzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966083488813749052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post-45574698295592355822021-01-09T12:48:08.293-08:002021-01-09T12:48:08.293-08:00How does the Monarchy relate to the Trinity and Tr...How does the Monarchy relate to the Trinity and Trinity to Monarchy- like First among Equals, or King in Parliament or something else? David Kesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07459284565188840477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post-24747990138515187482015-09-19T15:57:02.730-07:002015-09-19T15:57:02.730-07:00Hi Matt,
In your post, you wrote:
== Is it more ...Hi Matt,<br /><br />In your post, you wrote:<br /><br />== Is it more accurate to describe the Capodiacan's belief/theory of “three persons, one being [Or: "substance"]” as a Gk., ( Μοναρχία ) “Mon{1}archy” = rule by one person? <br /><br />Or a Gk., ( Τριαρχία ) “Tri{3}archy” = rule by three persons?==<br /><br />The so-called 'Cappadocian settlement' is usually represented by:<br /><br />μία οὐσία, τρεῖς ὑποστάσεις = one essence, three subsistences (persons)<br /><br />As for μοναρχία, it was used it two primary senses by the Greek Church Fathers: single/sole rule; or, single/sole principle/origin/source<br /><br />The Cappadocians used both senses, the first with reference to the governing rule of God; and the second, with reference to the Father as the ultimate principle/origin/source of everything that exists, including the Son and the Holy Spirit.<br /><br />Sincerely hope I have added a bit more clarity to the discussion...<br /><br /><br />Grace and peace,<br /><br />David <br />David Waltzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966083488813749052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3771009444113723863.post-50761935055295116272015-09-19T12:40:20.189-07:002015-09-19T12:40:20.189-07:00Is it more accurate to describe the Capodiacan'...Is it more accurate to describe the Capodiacan's belief/theory of “three persons, one being [Or: "substance"]” as a Gk., ( Μοναρχία ) “Mon{1}archy” = rule by one person? <br /><br />Or a Gk., ( Τριαρχία ) “Tri{3}archy” = rule by three persons?Matt13weedhackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643587467702969643noreply@blogger.com